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Kwon-Tom Loop - the "flash" version
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 1720
Best Total: 24m 8s
Posted - 2008.03.11 11:45:30
Shading now fixes/unfixes/resets to fixed as expected in the Flash version.
gadget1903
Kwon-Tom Addict
Puzzles: 325
Best Total: 23m 39s
Posted - 2008.03.12 21:22:33
Is it possible to make 'middle' click work like shift-left click?
Brian
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 3265
Best Total: 9m 6s
Posted - 2008.03.13 08:38:11
I've gotten a few errors over the last week. It says things like "Invalid Player" or "You are not currently logged in." Just now it did this and after clicking a few times and waiting, it finally accepted but gave the message:

"Well done. You made 26 changes and your elapsed time was:- 13951d 8h 33m 20s giving you a score of 20089979 (+20s)"
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 1720
Best Total: 24m 8s
Posted - 2008.03.13 08:59:20
Nice! Good score there... Hmmm, there are a few oddities still with it recognising who you are and I guess in that case it couldn't find you for some reason and so couldn't validate your start time... I've solved a few similar issues in the past week so hopefully I'll find them all soon.
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 1720
Best Total: 24m 8s
Posted - 2008.03.13 09:18:18
Ok, I've tracked the problem down to the fact that your IP address is regularly switching between two quite different addresses (although both resolve to the same company)... I can handle the last 2 numbers changing, as I see that quite often, but not all 4 numbers. My authentication code is getting very confused by you! I guess I might have to rethink how that's handled... you're not using two computers or something, are you??
Last edited by foilman - 2008.03.13 09:19:12
Brian
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 3265
Best Total: 9m 6s
Posted - 2008.03.13 10:09:20
My apartment complex has wireless internet, so I imagine that's why my IP address is jumping around so much. I don't know if there's anything I can do to stop this (I didn't even know it was happening).
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 1720
Best Total: 24m 8s
Posted - 2008.03.13 10:23:10
Yes, that probably does it. I'm on a similar set-up but my IP address only changes the last 2 numbers. I've relaxed the authentication so you should be ok now...
Nis
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 1989
Best Total: 22m 1s
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:41:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by foilman
While puzzles are still part of the weekly challenge I don't like to have any easy way to get immediately to the solution. Maybe it's a bit crazy, as obviously you have to have solved it first anyway, but I'm always aware there are people around who are trying to cheat in various sneaky ways!

Unless you can think of a way to cheat, I think you should reconsider. I don't participate in the wrong challenges - partially because I often don't feel like doing the wrong right away, partially because I suck at them.
MondSemmel
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 3981
Best Total: 7m 47s
Posted - 2008.03.23 19:29:26
First time trying out the flash version (and after testing it a few times in the archives, I did the whole week's worth with it)

"The main new feature on the flash version is you get an on-screen clock ticking away while you solve."
Great feature, but when you are aiming for really short times, looking at the clock will probably make you lose time which kind of defeats its purpose^^ (e.g. when you look at it, you aren't actively solving; you - or, more accurately, I, get very hectic when I see the timer going above my average solving time, etc.)

Not being able to use right clicking is incredibly annoying, but I can't remember ever seeing a flash app with right clicking, so I understand that it's difficult to implement.

I love the option of holding the mouse button and drawing more than one line (or cross) at a time, but because the flash version uses a different way of recognizing which line I meant when I click somewhere, when drawing multiple lines there are usual several wrong ones, as well (probably my lack of precision combined with the generous recognition system of the applet).

All in all, I mainly had problems with using crosses (using shift + click felt slow and awkward) which cost me lots of time whereas the option of drawing multiple lines (in theory, you could draw every puzzle with a single click and then holding the button, but I guess most puzzles are too hard for that/are faster to solve otherwise ) was really interesting and gave me a huge time bonus.

While it's certainly not perfect (yet), it looks like the applet has a lot more potential than the javascript version when a few things are straightened out. Thanks!

EDIT: I want to be an obsessive, too! I've solved most puzzles in the archive at least twice and I'm currently in the process of doing the 45 beasts that Naivoj posted for a second time .
Last edited by MondSemmel - 2008.03.23 19:32:47
procrastinator
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 1083
Best Total: 12m 56s
Posted - 2008.03.30 10:00:40
Quote:
Originally Posted by procrastinator
I reckon the next really easy puzzle will take about 35 seconds.
astrokath
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 3093
Best Total: 13m 42s
Posted - 2008.03.30 13:04:53
Quote:
Originally Posted by mondsemmel

I love the option of holding the mouse button and drawing more than one line (or cross) at a time

How the heck did I miss this?

So that's how everyone's times have just shot down!
procrastinator
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 1083
Best Total: 12m 56s
Posted - 2008.03.30 14:45:48
Quote:
Originally Posted by astrokath
Quote:
Originally Posted by mondsemmel

I love the option of holding the mouse button and drawing more than one line (or cross) at a time

So that's how everyone's times have just shot down!

Not really. Or not in my case, anyway - I can't do much of that without unintentionally adding extra lines (which I don't always notice). Probably this is something one can learn not to do (maybe Brian already has?), so I doubt club 29 is too far away.
Brian
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 3265
Best Total: 9m 6s
Posted - 2008.03.30 15:48:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by brian
Oh my goodness, yes. I predict we'll break the champions' total before April.
I overestimated a bit, but things have generally been faster.

Quote:
Originally Posted by procrastinator
I reckon the next really easy puzzle will take about 35 seconds.
Nice call.

Quote:
Originally Posted by procrastinator
I can't do much of that without unintentionally adding extra lines (which I don't always notice). Probably this is something one can learn not to do (maybe Brian already has?)
Before I learned of this site, I played for a few months here, which allows you to drag-select lines. So perhaps adjusting has been a little easier for me.
Naivoj
Kwon-Tom Addict
Puzzles: 314
Best Total: 33m 50s
Posted - 2008.03.31 18:00:59
Quote:
Originally Posted by gadget1903
Is it possible to make 'middle' click work like shift-left click?
Foilman,

Could you please comment on this suggestion, as If you do implement this, I will buy a 3 buttons mouse ASAP and start using the new flash applet.

Thanks
Naivoj
Kwon-Tom Addict
Puzzles: 314
Best Total: 33m 50s
Posted - 2008.04.10 02:50:20
Quote:
Originally Posted by naivoj
Foilman,
Could you please comment on this suggestion, as If you do implement this, I will buy a 3 buttons mouse ASAP and start using the new flash applet.
Thanks
I just realize that I already have the middle click on my mouse, as my mouse wheel is clickable. The coding of this suggestion appears to be simple: recognize the middle click event and triggers the same thing then shift-left click. But I might be wrong as I don't know flash.
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 1720
Best Total: 24m 8s
Posted - 2008.04.10 08:14:48
Sorry I've not really had time to look into it in any detail, but I suspect even middle-mouse clicking might be a challenge to implement in flash...
Naivoj
Kwon-Tom Addict
Puzzles: 314
Best Total: 33m 50s
Posted - 2008.04.11 03:06:16
I suppose that recognizing the middle click is the challenging part, hopefully you will figure it out and I will then eventually join club 29
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 1720
Best Total: 24m 8s
Posted - 2008.04.22 07:57:25
Beasts are now solvable online if you have the "flash" version enabled. They're a bit big, though, so you'll need a large screen to see the whole puzzle at once!
foilman
Kwon-Tom Admin
Puzzles: 1720
Best Total: 24m 8s
Posted - 2008.05.23 15:06:01
I've also recently upgraded the user created puzzles from the archives so if you have flash enabled they'll be in the new format too. Also your personal best times are now listed on the user puzzles list.

There may be one or two problems with it, as it's not been extensively tested...
poppinfresh
Kwon-Tom Obsessive
Puzzles: 1076
Best Total: 25m 13s
Posted - 2012.01.09 23:41:06
Here are four bugs/issues with the Flash solver. I just discovered this game/website and really love it by the way!

For "daily wrongs" the Flash timer always starts at 00:00 instead of the actual time that the website tracks, which might make you think you can cheat by coming back to the puzzle after viewing-but-not-solving it. The website measures from the first time you VIEW the "daily wrong". For archived "wrongs", timer behaves as you would expect.
The words/language used to describe things in the Flash version are not as good as the JavaScript version. I probably feel this way because the "wrong" puzzles do not have a good description of how scoring works. It took me a bit of experimenting to discover what the JavaScript puzzles just tell you such as how time affects the score and the definition of a change.
After solving a practise puzzle or a beast of the month, there is a "Kwon-Tom Wrong" button that leads nowhere (happens for the Flash solver only).
On the FAQ page, it still says that puzzles are JavaScript even though Flash is now the default.
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